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Posted - 2013.09.13 10:52:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Help me understand this then:
I, Abdiel Kavash, run a legit 3rd party business. Over the years I gain the trust of hundreds and a multibillion empire.
CASE 1: A new character, Joe McScammer, completely unaffiliated with me, decides to make some extra money. Joe McScammer convoes a customer of AbdielCorp and claims to be an alt of Abdiel Kavash. The poor mark falls for it and gives Joe McScammer ISK thinking he's sending it to Abdiel Kavash.
In this case, Joe McScammer is guilty of "[using] the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity", and if petitioned by the unsatisfied customer is prone to getting banned.
CASE 2: I decide that I want to make some extra money off my past customers, without necessarily having to provide any extra services. I create a new character, Phill McScammer, on my account. I then go talk to a past customer of AbdielCorp and I claim that Phill McScammer is an alt of Abdiel Kavash. Customer falls for it, sends me their money and never sees it again.
Since different characters are treated as separate entities, is this judged the same as case 1? Is Phill McScammer prone to getting banned for impersonating Abdiel Kavash? I.e. can I get banned for claiming that Phill McScammer is an alt of Abdiel Kavash?
I suppose you have read my example, so you can answer that yourself as it is pretty much the same thing with different names. Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Can I be banned for telling the truth?
Your character Phill McScammer impersonated Abdiel Kavash, the same way as Joe McScammer did, thus gets it from us the same way if reported. From our point of view, as well as from a victims, there is no technical difference between those two cases of a character impersonating another.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to the thread Karidor. On the other hand, I wish you hadn't. This is very sad. I've never scammed anyone and have never had the desire to do so before. But being part of a game which allows these things to happen, and having to be on the lookout for them, is what has made this game special over the years.
CASE 1 is a fine example of someone being incredibly guillible and getting the education that they so obviously need. Outlawing this kind of behaviour is like laying out the welcome mat to the hoardes of internet thickos, which this game has done so well to filter out over the years.
CASE 2 is a fine example of a long con. Difficult to detect and avoid, but equally difficult to set up and maintain. There are lessons to be learned by those on the receiveing end. The idea that someone could be warned/banned for truthfully identifying their own alt is one of astonishing lunacy.
These things were not banned under previous policies. If they were, they were worded in an atrocious manner. In fact, they still are. It has taken over 1000 posts in this thread to get this kind of clarity on what is not allowed. And what is not allowed is a massive part of EVE's culture and history. |